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And "Fruitvale Station" got picked up by the Sundance and Cannes film festivals, and Coogler suddenly had some clout. MONDELLO: Now, you get a sense of the tone of that movie. You think you can tell her everything she needs to know?ĬRUMP-SHEARS: (As Grandma Bonnie) Oh, no problem, baby. But I do have this customer here, and she wants to have a fish fry, but she don't know how. All right? I'm shopping for the party tonight.ĬRUMP-SHEARS: (As Grandma Bonnie) Oh, I'm sorry, baby. JORDAN: (As Oscar Grant) No, no, no - Grandma, Grandma, Grandma, it's my day off.

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I'm my work, and I got this.ĬRUMP-SHEARS: (As Grandma Bonnie) You're at work? MICHAEL B JORDAN: (As Oscar Grant) Nothing. MARJORIE CRUMP-SHEARS: (As Grandma Bonnie) Oscar, how you doing, baby?

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Grant was played by a TV actor who'd recently been in "Friday Night Lights," Michael B. I mean, he had made three shorts and the drama "Fruitvale Station" about the death of Oscar Grant in a rapid transit station in Oakland, Calif.

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We know him now as the guy who made "Black Panther," but he. Can I guess at the other Ryan? 'Cause I'm looking into my Rolodex of different Ryan film directors, and only one comes up. MARTINEZ: Well, actually, a lot of people would agree with you, too, Bob, I think. That's - there might be some people that might be upset over. MARTINEZ: The only interesting film - wow. And arguably, it was the only - I mean, I think it was the only interesting film in the last "Star Wars" trilogy. "Star Wars" had always been about the dark side and the light, and he gave "Last Jedi" shades of gray.

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And on the basis of those two, he got hired for a "Star Wars" installment, "The Last Jedi." Now, he'd probably been imagining making a "Star Wars" movie since he was 9, and it was clever and well-written when he finished with it. And then he made a time travel movie called "Looper," which was also clever and well-written. He made a high school detective flick called "Brick," and it was really clever and well-written. MONDELLO: Well, let me give you two - a tale of two Ryans (ph). So let's get an example, Bob, of a director who made a franchise better.

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And that made critics pay attention to the series in a way they hadn't before. And then they hired Alfonso Cuaron to make the third one, and he had just made "Y Tu Mama Tambien," a very sexy teen prestige picture in Mexico. I'm thinking the "Harry Potter" series maybe. And they want to latch on to hot young talent while there's still affordable, and presumably they see something in the indie work of the director that they like. But basically, studios, I think, want to keep things fresh. MONDELLO: (Laughter) Well, it's a question as to whether it's a good idea. We figured the guy who could explain why was NPR's film critic Bob Mondello. MARTINEZ: Critics and audiences have been less than excited, but Marvel and "Star Wars" and other franchise producers hire indie directors all the time. (SOUNDBITE OF HORN HONKING, VEHICLE SKIDDING) UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #2: (As character) Watch out. MARTINEZ: So she went from that straight to this - "The Eternals." UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #1: (As character) No. Is that true?įRANCES MCDORMAND: (As Fern) No, I'm not homeless. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #1: (As character) My mom said that you're homeless. She had just won an Oscar for directing last year's best picture winner "Nomadland." What happens when a brash young indie director makes a big action flick? Marvel found out when it hired Chloe Zhao for its superhero movie "The Eternals" (ph).














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